Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:15:44 -0700
From: "Jesse Doyle, Enloe"
Response to Mr. Mark S Marziale, aka "TheSaintly"
I am certainly happy to have your assurance of the statehood of Texas and its place in the UNITED STATES. It is clear, however, to anyone who has actually studied the situation, that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and is not the united States of America to which you probably think you are referring. Your assertion that Texas is a part of this corporation because Texas has sent its sons and daughters to war in the uniform of the UNITED STATES and fighting under its banner is a little short in logic, when you know the facts.
I recently attended a meeting in which a veteran was objecting to Texas independence because he had "laid his life on the line and fought for his country." While I can understand the emotion and sentiment behind this feeling, I went to him after the meeting and asked him if the current structure of the UNITED STATES and the way it is operating is what he fought for. His answer was a resounding NO. (Expletives omitted)
He fought for the CONCEPT that he was led to believe, which was a fraud, that Texas was a part of the American Union. The fact that he was loyal to the ideals of freedom and was fighting for those ideals on behalf of the people of Texas and America, has nothing to do with the reality of the current corporate federal government and the fact that IT IS TAKING THE VERY FREEDOMS HE FOUGHT FOR. Believing in something and fighting for it does not negate the fraud on which the beliefs are based.
It is apparent that Mr. Marziale's opinions are founded in emotion and beliefs with no foundation in law and fact. The statement of being proud of "USofA citizenship" is evidence of this. By definition of law, when you claim citizenship in the UNITED STATES or the U.S., which is what we do on any form printed by the government (such as a voter's registration), you legally declare that you are a citizen of the District of Columbia, as if you had been born there or taken up "residence" there. I've personally never even been there. How could I be a citizen of a place I've never even been to? And you don't become a citizen of it just because you visit the city. You may call it propaganda, but I challenge you to look it up in the law books.
We are citizens of Texas - the Republic of Texas. The STATE OF TEXAS is a sub-corporation of the corporate UNITED STATES. The federal government was given 100% legislative authority over the 10 miles square of the District of Columbia. Their legislative authority over the republic states was extremely limited. Even if Texas were LAWFULLY a part of the UNITED STATES, the federal government would have almost zero authority to be here regulating every area of our lives. They are licensing and regulating almost every activity of the people of this great land with the cooperation of the STATE governments. This is called Cooperative Federalism.
People like Mr. Marziale still believe that they are free. But when you must have permission from the government to do almost anything, YOU ARE NOT FREE and probably do not even understand true freedom.
In regards to our "selfish intentions," I can say that in a sense our move for freedom and truth under the common law is somewhat selfish. I WANT MY FREEDOM! However, the one principle of freedom that so few understand today, is that if I want my freedom, I must help guarantee it for EVERYONE ELSE. Be "the boss?" Absolutely not. Personal freedom dictates that EVERYONE BE HIS OWN "BOSS." The whole concept of men making laws to regulate the very lives of other men is totally repulsive to the concept of personal liberty and the intentions of the founding fathers of both the united States of America and Texas.
I love the statement about "federal assistance programs." It is this very mentality that has allowed our freedoms to be slowly taken away from us. Freedom is about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. That's why true freedom scares a lot of people. The Federal Government was not set up to be a giant welfare and "assistance" organization. They are already firmly entrenched in the GIVEAWAY PROGRAMS mentioned by Mr. Marziale. Sure, they don't send a $10,000.00 check to each one of us, but the giveaway amounts to BILLIONS!!. Where are they getting the money they waste and give away? If these programs are so beneficial, why do we still have all the same problems which the programs were "designed to solve?" Why does Texas get back only 13% of the billions and billions of dollars taken out of it by the Federal Government. To take from you and give to me or vice-versa is SOCIALISM, you know, like in Russia. The PEOPLE are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves and helping each other in times of crisis. That is proved every time there is a crisis. How much more could the people do without INTERVENTION in the guise of "ASSISTANCE!"
The last paragraph of the letter from the man who calls himself "TheSaintly" is born of so much ignorance of the truth it is hard to comprehend how such ignorance could exist, when so much information is available. All I can say to this is that when our freedoms are restored and he finds out the extent to which he has been defrauded, and he is able to enjoy the rights given to him by God, as opposed to privileges from other men, he may then no longer be ashamed that there were enough freedom loving people around to fight, not only for their own freedom, but for HIS and everyone else's.
Jesse Enloe
Subject: Response to "TheSaintly"
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:56:07 -0500
From: "L. Loudenslager"
To: "Jesse Doyle, Enloe"
Perhaps you will be good enough to explain the following statement made by you, in your response to "The Saintly." "By definition of law, when you claim citizenship in the UNITED STATES or the U.S., which is what we do on any form printed by the government (such as a voter's registration), you legally declare that you are a citizen of the District of Columbia, as if you had been born there or taken up 'residence' there." The District of Columbia, is not part of the USA, Therefore when I fill out a voter registration card I affirm I'm a citizen of the UNITED STATES and the county I live in, how does that make me a citizen of the District of Columbia?
Yes I call it propaganda, and I challenge you to tell me and, the rest of the world where you found that definition of law. So that we can look it up too.
I'm in full agreement with "The Saintly."
-- Sincerely, Lee Loudenslager
Subject: Response to Lee Loudenslager
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:25:50 -0700
From: "Jesse Doyle, Enloe"
Dear Lee Loudenslager,
Thank you for your question. I will do my best to answer it as simply as possible.
You are talking about the United States of America. In the 50 titles of the United States Code, the term "United States" is always defined for each particular section of code. The most common definition is "When used in a geographical sense, the United States includes the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Samoan Islands." (There may be one or two more of the U.S. possessions mentioned in some definitions, I don't recall off hand)
Before I go any further on the United States, you must first understand how "includes" works. Have you ever heard the phrase in legal wording "included but not limited to?" The reason for this is that in legal definitions, and the way the law is written, if the word "includes" is used then ONLY those things mentioned are included unless the above phrase is used.
The different definitions are evidenced by the fact that in only a few laws, those that are constitutional, the definition will SOMETIMES say "... includes the 50 states.." Whatever definition you are reading always applies to the chapter or section stated by the definition.
You see, when the words UNITED STATES are used, they are referring to the corporation called the UNITED STATES and not the United States of America. That corporation IS the District of Columbia incorporated into an entity called the UNITED STATES!
Whenever the law refers to the United States of America, IT SAYS SO. Anytime citizenship is referred to as "U.S. citizen," that means a citizen of the CORPORATE UNITED STATES. If a form talks about "citizen of the United States of America" or "U.S.A." then it means what you and I, in our normal everyday language, think it means.
This is a very complicated subject and the actual references in the law are quite numerous. If any of you think that we are just making this up, please make a trip to your local library, ask where the 50 Titles of the United States Code are and grab ANY one of the 50 books and start finding definitions of UNITED STATES.
The statement I made is very real and very true. Folks, we have been deceived by evil people who have infiltrated our government and are making something out of it that was not meant to be.
The first label the press usually puts on us is "Anti-Government." WE ARE NOT ANTI-GOVERNMENT. We are against UNLAWFUL acts done by people in the name of the government. Every society needs a government to perform certain functions on behalf of the People. But when that government begins to plunder the people instead of protecting them, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO CORRECT IT. This is a principle that has been established for centuries. The Magna Carta is one prime example.
I've read many documents and laws myself, to the point that I am completely convinced of what I am saying, and although I am not one of those who can always quote "chapter and verse," I know those who can. If you want more specific sites and web sites where you can find publications regarding the "citizenship issue," please let me know and I will do my best to provide that.
But, start by reading the Constitution. Then take a look at the world around you and see if it bears even a close resemblance to what you just read.
Again, thanks for your question and I hope this sheds at least a little light on the subject. And please, don't take my word for it, go to the library. If you look, you will find the answers. Knowledge is the beginning of wisdom.
Sincerely, Jesse Enloe
Subject: A confused American citizen who calls himself "The Saintly"
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:38:41 -0500
From: Sam Saliba
Subject: The Republic of Texas and u.S. Republic
Dear friends and enemies of freedom:
All patriotic, freedom loving, freedom seeking Americans are welcome in Texas. All freedom loving, freedom seeking PEOPLE who are living in Texas are invited to become Republic of Texas citizens. All traitors and criminals no matter who they are, notwithstanding the defacto President{"Slick Will"} and the prostituted United States Incorporated and its subdivisions, are urged to get out of our lives! Texians have always extolled and will always heap praise on the united States of America. In other words, we believe in America the way our founding fathers {the framers of the U.S. Constitution} envisioned it and intended it.
Despite the activity of "New World disOrder" architects and bureaucrats, freedom in the Republic of Texas and abroad will NOT perish. There will always be those of us willing to sacrifice "....our fortunes, our lives, and our sacred honor...." to carry and pass the torch of liberty to our children and possible future generations of Texians and Americans until almighty God decides to end it.
Sincerely, Sam
Subject: An uninformed American citizen who calls himself "The Saintly"
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:54:44 -0700
From: redhawk@isat.com (Dale Hinsdale)
Subject: The Republic of Texas and U.S. of A.
To all concerned Americans:
We who support the Republic of Texas may be in the minority but, not for long! As the brush of freedom crosses this great Republic of Texas, folks find it to be very contagious.
No, this Republic will not be supported by all. Unfortunately there is a goodly number of folks like "The Saintly" who are content and demand that their thinking be done for them. The sleaze in control of the U.S. of A. and New World disOrder are happy to accommodate them.
Perhaps "The Saintly" and others of like mind do not understand they have no protection under the United States of America's Constitution. Their Constitution was set aside in 1933 by the Emergency War Powers Act. A serious study of the U.S. of A. government should be undertaken by them.
May the Creator guide our every step in this endeavor.
Sincerely, Dale Hinsdale
Subject: in response to (Mark S Marziale)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 19:48:38 -0700
From: "T. Thompson"
You know, I'm a relocated Texan, living in Arizona, but I find Mr. Marziale's comments tantamount to the gross, right wing Republican ignorance I found in a University of Texas class I took years ago. We were studying the Constitution, and the idea of Democracy in America. A fellow student spoke his opinions in this class, and some Barbie, with a pony tail on the side of her head said to him, no, screamed at him "if you don't like it here, why don't you move to some other country?"
I was horrified. This bimbo took free speech to another dimension.
If the answer to fighting corruption and inadequacy in this country is to move to another country, then, by God, I'll do it. I just never thought that was what America was about.
Mr. Marziale, I shouldn't have to move to another country to speak my opinions about the current condition of this country. Of MY country. If you prefer hostile indifference to educated debate, why don't YOU move?
About the issue of Federal vs. State powers, I have to admit I am at a crossroads on that one. I believe in a central government, but only ideally, where the central power knows, understands, and protects the unique identity of the states. I believe as so many now do, that if the central government is corrupt and impotent, the states, the local body, should have some power to fix their environ.
We are all tired of the newsfed fears they drive at us on TV every night. We are aware of what our particular neighborhoods need to survive. We only need the power to sail from Global to Local, to scope properly in our pursuit of the America we all set out to empower and preserve.
God Bless Texas, it may be the last stand.
Tamara Thompson
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